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PUBLIC MEETING
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U.S.
ARMY
LICENSE
URANIUM
FOR DEPLETED
APPLICATION
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ONLY
POSSESSION
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6:00
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August
Tuesday,
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Wahiawa
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Wahiawa,
2009
p.m.
Park
District
Oahu,
Hawaii
CSR No.
412,
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BEFORE:
BARBARA ACOBA,
Notary
Public,
State
of
RPR
Hawaii
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RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu,
Hawaii
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APPEARANCES:
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NRC
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Robert
Evans
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Jack
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Chris
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John
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Rebecca
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Keith
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Jack
Hayes
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Dave
McIntyre
Sarah
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Whitten
McKenney
Hull
Tadesse
McConnell
Michonski
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ARMY
Greg
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Komp
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PUBLIC
-
Ku'umeaaloha
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Kyle
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Darlene
Gomes
Kajihiro
Rodrigues
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GOMES:
KU'UMEAALOHA
Keith O'Connell
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introduce
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uranium recovery
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tonight
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possession of depleted uranium
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and Pohakuloa
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uranium
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responsibility,
12
the decommissioning
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that
14
on the
15
materials
16
to what we're
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responsibility
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includes
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done mostly
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have responsibility
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certain
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basically
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Army's
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I
would like
the Army's
am deputy director
recovery
of U.S.
(inaudible)
Nuclear
to welcome
application
you here
for
the
at the Schofield Barracks
licensing
for decommissioning
the NRC.
at
of
civilian
from anything
range
to a
Mainland
and some
here
nuclear
like
laboratory
statements,
of the
to talk
testing
about
for licensing
uses radioactive
tonight.
what's
We also
usually
And we also
United States.
the possession of
licensing
on table
have
That
which is
of uranium and thorium,
quantities
Or related
they do.
the production of uranium,
for
and
power plant
uranium activities.
the western
for
facilities,
a nuclear
that
and
We have
along with our agreement
in
to
Firing Ranges.
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can
want
The
On behalf
Regulatory Commission,
about
I
time,
director.
licensing
5
to talk
this
the director.
KEITH McCONNELL:
4
At
for us now in
and that's
terms of the
application.
Now,
the purpose
asking you to come
to this
for us being
meeting
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here
tonight
to involve you
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our process
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NRC,
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making
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one
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localites
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like
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one
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the Big Island,
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night,
but
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public
in
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other opportunities
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the presentations
the review
the Nuclear
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of
of that
Regulatory
the ways we approach
open and transparent.
that
that
license
we're having
tonight.
one tomorrow
part
of
our licensing
In
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have
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wouldn't mind,
you can just
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go
presentation.
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third
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that
U.S.
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some background
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presence
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what we do and how we do it,
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background
in
be
identified
in
participated
but
should
So if
you
follow along with us
what we're
21
this
this.
presentation
the action that
in
will
but you all
I'm on,
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Army
on
the
involve
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accompany
first
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we
involvement
difficulties,
technical
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over
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again,
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through the
this
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regard,
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for public
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on hand.
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And
to come to the
is
where we do have a major
this,
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has a policy of
Commission,
process
licensing
application.
going
NRC's
as we
basically,
the
on meeting
topics.
to do is
describe
involvement
with the
particular
matter.
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on the NRC.
We don't
have a
Hawaii and
so you may not be
so we'll
on our organization.
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
large
familiar
with
provide you some
One thing
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make
clear
is
that
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agency.
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We're not part
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independent
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regulate
we are
We're not part
of
agency that
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We'll
about our
brought
a number
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various
aspects
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inspection
and reporting
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license
granted.
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of
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future
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and
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anything you'd
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particular
the Army's
of
staff
here
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it
involvement
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for comments,
like
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application,
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material.
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the mid
licensing
of our licensing
for public
in
use of radioactive
talk
of Defense.
of Energy.
was created
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regulatory
the Department
of the Department
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an independent
with us
the
or concerns
about on
or
this
issue.
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slide
in
terms
the NRC presenters,
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we
do have a number of staff
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is
Rebecca Tadesse.
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decommission branch at NRC headquarters
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Maryland.
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are
and what we do.
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for
what's
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Chris will
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effects
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know this
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She's
called
talk
that
are
is
talk
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of
the
chief
to you about
Chris
McKenney,
our performance
about
tonight.
some of
To my right
of our materials
in
Rockville,
the NRC and what we
is
the branch chief
assessment
the radiological
branch.
health
associated with depleted uranium.
an area
that's
RALPH ROSENBERG
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of concern
to a number
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of
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people
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depleted uranium
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risks.
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the Army application
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application
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the
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Dallas,
8
inspection
9
activities,
10
in
the
community,
in
general
John or Jack Hayes
is
in
is
Texas.
terms
table,
is
walk
discuss
what
4
for
the
And then Bob Evans,
responsibility
and enforcement
health
manager
from our Region
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through
of potential
our project
and he'll
requesting.
end of the
down at
office
out
of
for the
aspects
of decommissioning
and also uranium production
and professional
licenses.
I'd
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also like
to introduce
12
staff
that
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chief
in
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for
15
McIntyre
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Hull
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bring an array of people
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questions,
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questions
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end up not being able
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in
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there
and we'll
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yeah,
and back
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our
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so Chris will
the
are
here.
Jack Whitten,
our Region 4
office
in
inspection enforcement
from our office
from our office
here now.
licensing
try
in
to answer,
With that,
is
Dave
in
to
the
something
we'll
that
we
get back to you
cards
that
are
a timely way.
Sarah Michonski.
the
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We try
to answer
and helping us
again,
And John
you have particular
is
out the
the back
assistant
if
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to respond
who's responsible
affairs.
people
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other NRC
the branch
counsel.
so that
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he's
activities.
general
right
couple
Dallas
of public
of
we have the
some way.
a
back
Oh,
Sarah's
out.
meeting purpose
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licensing
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identify
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future,
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comments
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turn it
and then
let
express
or
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I'm the branch
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branch.
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the
application.
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in
you ask any questions
or make
concerns.
the
And so with that,
Thank you.
TADESSE:
chief
I'm just
As
for the material
gonna
I'll
Keith said,
decommissioning
give you an overview of what
our regulatory
and what
authorities
are.
NRC
I'm on
slide.
first
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NRC's
reports
an independent
that
directly
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responsibility
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proposal.
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area.
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no environmental
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inspection.
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facility
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through
on a
cycle,
depending
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type
site
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goes in,
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enforcement.
is,
as Keith
doing licensing,
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look
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look at the
any concerns
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said,
material.
radioactive
agency,
to Congress,
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of
the review of our
to Rebecca.
over
REBECCA
does
in
for you to participate
opportunities
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the public
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standards,
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public
protection,
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public
also.
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Army would be getting
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there's
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various parts
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license
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health and
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regulations,
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processes.
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environmental
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consequences
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submitted.
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don't
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review to make
based on the
facility
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application
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that
at.
review.
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that
no
has been
assessments.
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licensing
EIS,
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start
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impact,
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case where
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our regulation.
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requirements
specific
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license conditions,
otherwise,
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of
the requirements
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this
source material
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assessment,
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application.
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review.
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acceptance
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they have
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be
review,
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things.
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hearing
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notice
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entities
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they will
any areas
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like
it,
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opportunity,
feel
which we
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that
The hearing process
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we have
a
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judges,
two technical
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at the contentions
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and if
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gets accepted.
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review,
24
applicant
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presenting
and one
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those
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do a
Federal Register
request
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for
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a hearing.
process
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staff,
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board.
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review,
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90 days,
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power plant,
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subpart
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a decommission plan
and clean
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standard
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confirmation
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of the public.
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correctly,
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give
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or
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facility
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might only
might be used
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Federal Government
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purposes
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the use
based on those options.
all.
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for
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terminate
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will
to Chris McKenney.
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little
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go for
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options
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25
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to the
they have submitted and we approve,
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a
facility
release.
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and make
they have
gets terminated.
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up the
or unrestricted
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McKENNEY:
review of some
terminology
is
Hello.
talk
about
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Worth area,
18
an eye
if
for any
19
Army decided
20
significant
21
frequently.
22
top
--
23
the
top,
24
that
25
process
to do
some
the
a tiered
the license
is
reason,
in
third.
just
this
go on a
it
normally
there,
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once every
particular
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verify
system,
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second,
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comes
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clean up or any other type of
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particular
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activity,
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facility
significant,
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licensed,
interval.
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today.
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Texas
and Jack Whitten is
And for this
once it's
inspection
the Arlington,
on me
inspections.
facility,
is
out of
I'm Rob Evans.
of
compliance
regulations
come more
with the
are at
and any commitments
the application
So when we go out and do an
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inspection
2
In
3
will
lead
4
talk
about
some
we verify
compliance
situations
5
they may not be
into the
in
As
enforcement
a couple
part
review what's
7
through all
of
8
look at the
performance
9
facility.
called
the recent
is
12
corrected,
13
performance
14
an acceptable
the
if
of
15
those violations
they have
not repeated
We
that
this
they've
sure that
in
for the
docket
then what we would do
to make
level
inspection,
file.
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take a
had previous
during the
inspection
have been
themselves,
and that
or better.
inspections
if
significant
change
in
site
staffing
17
significant
change
in
site
procedures.
18
in
inspection
frequency
19
If
a
has
20
inspection
21
performance,
22
have different
23
more
or
this
if
a
Usually,
changes
to performance.
we may stretch
beyond two years.
If
case two years,
different
frequencies,
a
there's
are proportional
good performance,
interval
there's
the
they have
we may shrink it
poor
licensees
down and go
frequently.
24
25
will
particular
16
in
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which
area has met what we would consider
also conduct
licensee
which
records and we will
history
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11
compliance
process,
of the preparation
we will
violations,
in
three of those.
of minutes.
6
10
with all
So when we actually
number
of things
that
we do.
go
to the site,
One of
them is
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occupational
2
monitoring
3
practically
4
exposure
5
us
6
impact
7
workers?
every site
records
that's
this
is
The
thing we look at
other
results,
monitoring
licensed
11
part
12
monitoring
13
sometimes
the
14
will
make
sure
15
will
also make
16
do not exceed
licensing
that
they're
the
components.
radioactive
19
Army elected
20
test
21
observing the
22
being
23
previously made
24
process,
25
survey
work in
in
equipment
have
and we
the license,
and we
those programs,
of those
programs
limits.
of
In
particular
case,
if
that
accordance
clean up of
the
a
by
we may participate
to make
sure
that
with commitments
And as part
radiological
with us and we will
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
a
license,
or dismantlement
progress
take
So as
removal
this
is
impact
will
to the
tied
regulatory
to the NRC.
we always
what
licensee
results
likely
then it's
conducted
the environmental
is
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that
range,
doing
licensed
any
of
part
sure that
18
a
usually
regulation
what
having on the
of course,
process,
program that's
It's
on the environment?
having
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17
is,
which
operations
10
of the
material
radioactive
and for
to individuals
important.
really
for
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we go to.
to doses
environmental
we do
something
is
that
related
as inspectors
8
9
This
results.
as well as
records
exposure
of that
surveys.
it's
they
entire
We take
do monitoring
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independently.
2
radiation
3
then what we would
4
posted.
5
other
Like,
area
for
example,
a
which may not be applicable
do is
confirm
that
in
it's
this
case,
properly
radiography or
examples.
We use our own equipment.
7
side-by-side
8
sitting
9
sure
surveys.
there,
that
10
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11
what
12
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13
results.
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we'll
we have
exactly
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bring
similar
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doing
such a way that
14
So confirmatory
is
16
what's
called
17
there.
It's
18
for detection
19
is
20
the ground
21
very carefully,
22
pick it
up properly and then take
23
dispose
of it.
sort
if
you're
a FIDLER,
stands
of low-energy
of a unique
sometimes.
of
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fragmented
or in
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course,
the
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for
radiation.
radio nuke
slide,
just
brought
field
table
over
instrument
Depleted uranium
light.
you can
that
giving them accurate
back on that
an acronym that
may
being conducted
interested,
sitting
make
to make sure
measurements,
for
and we'll
Survey meters
survey is
equipment
we do
equipment
but we have
the
--
the
show and tell,
their
numbers.
same,
is
And sometimes
our equipment,
15
25
there's
Hospitals may be an example,
6
24
if
You can see
see
it
it
on the ground,
you could bend over and just
it
to a place you'll
depleted uranium may be more
the grass
on
or
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like
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you cannot visually
see
2
enough.
3
uranium is
4
uranium has a very low energy gamma,
5
equipment
6
field.
7
not
8
instruments
that
9
tends
one of the best.
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it,
way of
to do a gamma
to locate
to be
11
clean up
12
this
13
reading anomaly,
14
soil
15
so the whole
16
it.
so it
you can't
detect
or just
it
in
the
in
the
flag
it.
but this
if
they were to
area over
there's
Then
within the
limits.
though,
we will
measurements,
18
and water
19
of analyzing
20
contract
21
Education,
22
umbrella
23
recognized
24
sometimes
what we'll
25
collect
sample and we'll
samples.
is
but we'll
they can
with Oak Ridge
an entity
Institute
for Science
do is,
And they're
in
this
actually
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
soil
but we have a
and
Oak Ridge National
laboratory and we trust
their
case,
take
just
the capability
samples,
for us.
area
also collect
and water
under the
it
the
take
take
We no longer maintain
soil
with
a high
go ahead and clean up
is
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field,
they would do
and anywhere
side-by-side
does
special
of other
they'll
those
takes
see out
they would walk the
area
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a couple
17
a
call
There are
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that
for depleted
instruments.
survey equipment
samples
we
not big
the best
will
an area,
just
one of
So commonly what
10
it's
detecting
scan,
DU that
The FIDLER is
the only one.
because
Labs
a nationally
results.
And
the Army,
that
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after
they've
2
and have
3
comparable,
4
if
analyzed
them analyze
it
and
to see
are doing
about
to talk
like
7
the way the
8
issue
9
entity
10
the
11
ensure,
12
knowledge,
13
they're
supposed to perform;
14
to do.
So
15
do,
entire
then
16
both for
that
if
they're
not
is
18
It's
19
comply with
20
reason,
21
identify
22
particular
23
they recognize
24
for
25
corrective
of
like
and that
and
example,
to encourage
is
correct
case,
their
picking
that
and if
actions
to
the public
supposed
supposed
the
licensee
to prevent
to
also has a
to
second
to actually
licensees
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this
on the Army as an example,
they identified
what
requirements.
own problems.
they missed
of
but as part
to emphasize
is
to get
And it
that
involved.
with regulatory
a motivator
regulations.
that
doing what they're
of enforcement
of compliance
would not
doing what they're
The purpose
accordance
Typically
performing
actually
may become
I'd
inspections
as well as
enforcement
17
sort
licensee
area that
felt
trustworthy,
our knowledge
the
the NRC
conduct
we still
process,
subject
unless we
and was
had integrity
correctly.
analysis
enforcement.
is
are
comparable
statistically
system works
to an entity
license
to our laboratory
the numbers
their
is
briefly
6
whole
if
into the next
Moving on
a
send it
and they should be
the laboratories
5
it,
an environmental
it
if
sample,
and implemented
recurrence,
then we would
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give
them credit
2
and identified
3
credit
in
4
for that.
it,
that
As
then they would not get
are
three
The most
common is
6
licensee
was doing something
7
regulatory
the
8
what's
9
respond in
license
a Notice
they plan to prevent
11
And at
12
may give
13
actions.
Usually
14
some
of procedure
future
it
the
for
first
17
decommissioning,
an example
18
contaminated
the controlling
19
for access
20
contaminated.
21
into what
we
22
result
a
23
in
issues.
That's
call
civil
So if
contrary
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it
correct
in
to
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happens
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future.
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corrective
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fix
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it.
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for the
the world of
would be
if
a
entity
even though
an example
escalated
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and we'd ask them to
penalties.
more
to public,
if
or program
civil
sanctions.
we would send them
time
16
and
was
from recurring
inspection
second is
significant
that
of Violation
them a violation
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as much
of violation.
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10
15
notice
requirements,
writing.
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we came
primary enforcement
5
some
to if
situation.
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called
compared
it
facility
was
pre-released
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it
still
of where we might go
enforcement,
which could
penalty.
The third
is
orders.
24
an example
25
could no longer maintain
might be
is
if
That's
an entity
the radioactive
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material,
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may issue
2
control
3
compel
4
we would
5
some
of the
issue an order unless we
not
noncompliances
8
conditions.
9
an application,
slide,
usually tied
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10
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11
are
12
as well
as
13
example
of where
14
fraudulent,
15
doing was wrong and that
16
investigation,
17
We may participate
18
do not do that
through
is
or
itself,
required to have
22
overexposure
23
consequence.
Or
24
overexposure,
but
25
that
the
I
do
an
to us
was
that
they were
possibly,
in,
an NRC
inspection.
but we
investigators,
three
there's
There
a violation.
safety consequence.
or potential
would be an example
would be
is
from an
different
what
inspectors.
as
actual
And violations
someone knew what
and support
21
to.
investigation
would kick
which is
license,
information was provided
which
are
license
which is
inspections,
An
for example,
20
to the
hold them
investigations.
The violation
19
and/or
anything they mention in
The application,
identified
it.
stem from
violations
with regulations
is
there was
felt
associated with
significance
7
some action and
to take
or whoever,
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6
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material.
radioactive
a licensee,
safety
have to maintain
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an order
if
they didn't
they almost
a potential
safety
has
to be an
For example,
of an actual
actually
things that
get
safety
an
got an overexposure,
consequence.
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The next
bullet
is
potential
impact
2
regulatory
3
base our
decisions-on the
4
provides
to us.
5
misleading
or has significant
6
would make
a decision based on those errors.
7
particular
case,
8
regulatory
function.
function.
9
If
And the
10
but
it's
11
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12
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13
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bullet
14
a violation,
it
15
which is
16
associated
17
resulted
18
uncommon,
19
this
point.
20
most
common type
severe.
and
in
24
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25
so there's
common,
they went ahead and
levels.
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severity
goes
level
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problems.
doubt
from one,
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in
that
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we would ever
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get to
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the
issue.
simple
and corrected
they've
so we
of violations.
terms,
don't
it
was
cite
them.
already corrected
no need to go through the process
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
issue
or an overexposure
medical
case,
When we
level.
Usually
found it;
that
they knew what
other types
licensee
already
less
have
23
identified
little
we
A non-cited violation,
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impact on the
of violation
22
then we
reason.
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an applicant
it,
words,
a fatality
this
in
a
severity
significant
that
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information that's
but
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in
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slide,
has
an
other
for whatever
The next
us
errors
In
doing was
most
information
would have
willfulness.
anyway
21
That would be an example of,
they provide
it
on the
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3
your own problems.
4
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5
a violation,
6
important
7
it.
8
in
9
weeks
this
but
case,
because
11
was no
it's
we
encourage
doesn't
really
late
report.
the Army submitted at
safety
That's
enforcement
14
process.
to do
is
16
process.
17
and rigorous,
18
backed up by an
19
ensures
20
public
21
it
may be pretty
22
if
we've
23
we'd like
24
concerns.
I
cite
two
them for
it
the report.
the
to give you some
and that
that
after
inspection
There
steeped in
confused you,
KU'UMEAALOHA
and
idea
now what we
of a
the
are
is
please
let
GOMES:
thorough
I
it's
program and
therefore,
the
think some of
regulatory
jargon.
us know.
up for questions,
is
granted,
met and,
protected.
some
review
review
and enforcement
and safety is
to open it
inspection
a license
the regulations
health
they submit,
report
think right
Try to demonstrate
that
late
cite
Questions?
KEITH McCONNELL:
tried
If
don't
consequence.
an overview of
15
technically
we usually
they did end up submitting
real
still
of
mean anything
significant,
would be a
identification
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and we may not actually
12
25
it
for safety
late
goes back to one of the
a minor violation.
An example
10
13
bullets,
that
And
if
comments
or
Thank you very much.
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only one who
3
was
4
have
ask if
signed up
Kyle,
think we have
for
you guys want
that
comment.
to move
What
in
I
you're
the
wanted to do
Then we
front.
can
dialogue.
5
KEITH McCONNELL:
6
so we have
7
to intimidate
8
basically
a record
We're
of your
anybody,
have a
but
recording
comments.
it
We
allows
just
record of your
KU'UMEAALOHA
9
10
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informative.
session
don't
intend
us to
comments.
Anybody
GOMES:
this
with public
else
comments?
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
11
My name
12
with the American Friends
13
mostly
some
questions,
14
easier
if
just
15
I
went
So just
Service
so I
Kyle Kajihiro.
is
Committee
don't
know
first
to start
question of
off,
concern with this
17
to
18
Valley
on the west
side of Oahu,
19
range,
and there's
been a long history
20
trying
to stop
21
considered
22
public
23
uranium ever been used in
24
never been used.
25
so and
of our
involvement
very sacred.
so not
in
the bombing,
meetings,
it
I
had
would be
down one by one?
16
some
if
and
I'm
our
trying
which is
to worry about
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
Makua
a live
of the
the valley
you know,
Hawaii?
goes back
to protect
protect
You know,
and
depleted uranium
And when there
we asked,
interest
was
fire
community
that's
several
has depleted
And the Army told
to do
never had any license
it.
As a
result
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some
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information
that
2
found
in
3
depleted uranium and
4
is
5
that's
6
shocked
7
the
that,
where
became
fact,
chemical weapons
that
environment.
In
9
Act request
2007,
I
the
depleted
11
everything
12
was the
13
for documents
14
research
15
gotten
any
16
little
frustrated
17
Army on this
in
that
scope
related
and also
from them.
the
in
Information
related
a sense
to
of what
request
archival
we haven't
So we've been a
lack of cooperation
from the
question.
19
area
Lihue,
20
expansion projects.
21
construction,
which was a site
22
material,
and that's
where
23
located.
So we're
concerned
24
that
25
temples,
including
will
be
has
of the
to do with the
Stryker
Brigade
There's been considerable
grubbing,
area,
released
another
the Army had done and to date,
about
and
surveys,
to get
And another of our concerns
in
of
to the Davy Crockett
information
is,
So we were
the documents
just
the problem,
which
2005.
you know,
was going on
of
public.
uranium was
for all
uranium records,
we
Lihue,
range
submitted a Freedom
to the Army
10
up in
the training
depleted
This was
a lawsuit,
had uncovered
information became
to learn
8
through
the contractors
Schofield Barracks,
how this
18
public
removal
a
lot
of and moving
of depleted uranium
how the
some very significant
affected
by this
RALPH ROSENBERG
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of
sites
that
are
is
in
heiau
and how will
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3
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4
these
5
culture
6
the
7
cultural
8
there
9
religious
10
be
affected
actions
is
that
might be
something we'd like
sites
so that
in
this
areas,
in
this
I
are
NRC process
in
can pral
know exa,
relation
that
to
what
pro-
would allow
to these places?
I
s,
guess
f,
t'
have.
12
religious
13
assessment.
14
who
15
You mentioned,
16
that
Kyle,
and cultural,
assess
I
the
just
17
to have increasei
And we don't
sites
JACK HAYES:
is
imposed on th
but we're wondering
access
question
regulator'
native Hawaiians
area.
contamination
11
didn't
19
in
part
mention that,
cultural
activities
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in
think,
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
very significant
with respect
that's
at the Makua
18
temple
of the
but
e:
we h,
associate,
terms
or
to,
is
of cultural
it
also
at S
Also at Schofield.
complex and agricult
there.
20
21
by the types of
JACK HAYES:
In
the range
where
the
at?
22
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
23
JACK HAYES:
24
you know,
25
that
is
that
has
a situation,
In
Okay.
not been
the range
That's
somethin
identified
we would take
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
area,
to us
your
comm
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an evaluation
2
on
that.
KEITH McCONNELL:
3
under National
4
with the
State Historical
5
does get
involved
6
activities.
7
In
8
would
9
Defense,
10
in
11
Let me
Environmental
in
just,
Policy Act
Preservation
cultural
rest
between
or the Army in
essence,
Office,
which
and cultural
about
access,
you and the Department
this
particular
access
is
not our issue.
cultural
resources
is
an
12
and make
sure
13
really
it
required
to coordinate
resources
terms of your question
still
we are
case.
but in
of
Because,
Protecting
issue we have
happens,
that
to be aware
terms of
access,
of
that's
between you and the Army.
14
KYLE
KAJIHIRO:
15
question
about
16
depleted
uranium,
17
of a application
18
up and
19
action,
20
the nature
it,
of the
because
reduce
the level
of
21
access
the area,
including
22
or workers
23
that
24
should be
25
increase
understand,
risk
would be
the
level
to possess
that
of
and that
soldiers
in
back and
allows
safety
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
for
removal
would certainly
that
was
that
may be
the area.
type
to clean
has been some
for anyone
could be remanded
something
applications
to the
wondering why that
there
as I
this
gets
opposed to an application
as far
that
guess that
and I'm just
as
remove
So I
So
is
said,
trying
in
to
there
there a way
look,
for removal
the public?
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to
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KEITH McCONNELL:
an
think there
3
because,
4
the
5
such
6
uranium getting
7
would take
action at that
8
Department
of Health has been
9
monitoring.
site.
that
this,
are monitoring
There
but
11
off
So
also
for the public
the
point.
And the
a process
you know,
13
in
given
that
14
hazardous
15
the process
16
becomes
17
the material,
including
18
they do
then we would become
19
sure
20
way.
21
the
22
going to remain.
that,
point
But in
control
essence,
of the Army,
24
have with the application
25
not
--
not
like,
See,
treated
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
if
in
in
this
of
making
a safe
range
under
the way it's
for possession,
for example,
part
assuming
hazards,
another
that's
of
to clean up all
involved
likely
that's
lot
not
is
an active
it's
point
When the range
time.
the chemical
because
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
23
in
this
with a
decommissioning
the depleted uranium was
that
But at
range
an active
there,
saying
of Health.
and the Army decides
inactive
this
the decommissioning
called
think Jack mentioned.
at this
Hawaii
the NRC,
and I
material
site
known and NRC
in
process,
it's
at
of
involved
12
time,
the
possibility
would be
the Hawaii Department
is
around
systems
it
site,
not just
it's
There
of DU present
was even the remote
there
if
now we don't
a limited amount
there's
one,
right
safety
issue of
2
10
is
Well,
was
problem we
because
it's
a nuclear
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power
plant,
2
would be ways to truly
secure
3
in
where
4
on that
5
about
6
pretty
7
Kaukonahua
8
out
9
rain
it
would be
an open environment
could disturb
--
well,
steep
to
that
there
seen
the
10
So
don't
11
what's
12
know,
13
will
14
we don't
15
contain material
water's
know that
happening
it's
right
again.
trust
16
those
So I
that
Secondly,
ground
live
17
that
18
in
19
impacted
20
pyrophoric,
21
depleted uranium oxide.
22
the
surveys
23
at,
is
24
are
the
25
released.
the
solid
and,
you know,
forms,
it
so they will
were
how depleted
chances
That's
into
and then
runoff.
is
catch
And,
of years
you know,
the
the
conditions.
you
and it
respectfully,
gonna
be enough
to
open environment.
activity
is
we know that
a kinetic
gonna
disturb
the DU itself
may break apart,
by some kind of
that
go
on a
of all
a number
don't,
fire
it's
could possibly
types of
in
concerned
And when we have big
the monitoring
that's
it's
going
around here
red because
been going on for
happen
range,
the monitors
in
Here
We're
All those gulches
Kaiaka Bay and Waialua.
the
There
are activities
material.
you've
grade.
you know.
the material.
stream which flows
events,
I
if
contained,
but
object,
if
is
they're
they're
aerosolize.
They can turn
And at
from my reading of
done,
uranium
least
that
wasn't
oxide
of those kinds
is
really
looked
behaving and what
of materials
much more mobile,
into
I
guess,
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being
than the
42
1
solid
chunks
2
in
3
oxide
4
causing this
the
of
studies
So has that
and how are
and the
5
it.
fact that
could be,
the DU
you know,
to aerosolize?
KEITH McCONNELL:
Well,
6
the review process.
I
7
concern.
heard
8
Chris,
think we
at at all
you folks handling
activities
material
I
been looked
that
will
think we are
it
be part
aware
of
of that
expressed previously.
do you want to...
9
CHRIS
a
McKENNEY:
10
definitely
focus
11
we'd be reviewing.
12
system,
13
anything oxide?
14
sampling,
15
of both low-flow
16
transference
17
high-flow
18
rugged
or very steep
19
definitely
points of
20
monitoring programs
will
on the air
they be able
is
I
Similarly for
the
which is
of an average
sort
23
understanding?
But over
24
averaged
is
25
there
short-term,
in
these
are the
time
also
and protective?
is
that
at,
is
based on
how I'm
the readings
looking
are
okay,
spikes?
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
type of
environmental
And the monitoring
of readings,
it
representative
So both those are
review as to,
22
out or
common
represented
of
for possible
event,
style.
terrain
the movement
surface water
and also
fairly
system that
monitoring
sampling
a high-flow
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
air
to capture
conditions
that's
monitoring
the surface water
event,
mean,
Their proposed
during
21
Well,
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of
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CHRIS McKENNEY:
2
averages?
3
if
4
right
there
5
would
that
6
disregarding
7
actually
8
person were
9
out
would be
standing
the
So if
site
in
available
amount
the
of the surface
water
for all
of water
that
that
water
of their
flow
water
was...
Chris,
THE REPORTER:
some]
exposed
surface
to drink all
I'm losing yo-
hear.
CHRIS
McKENNEY:
basis
13
station-by-station
14
don't
15
anything
16
And a
17
look at
18
most
19
assumption,
20
there?
21
they breathed
22
site,
23
that's
24
stuff.
like
level
first
in
of
360 of
on
the
the sit,
on a site-by-s
review to say is
thoughtful manner
there
is
you g
you look at what's maximum
expos
basically.
today
What
if
What if
someone
in,
they got
still
of
a more
sites,
at the edge
You look
that.
There's,
Okay.
along the whole
average
exposed
inside
the
someone
stood there
24 hours
a day,
and brea
they never
from the external,
site
fr
and they breath
From water point of view,
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
'
year-ba:
have been actually
actual
able
the
what are
the
there?
edge of
at the
person
12
25
what
somebody were
10
11
So that
There's,
you'd loo
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were able
2
surface
3
you
4
they could drink all
5
below the
6
either
7
sites
8
limits
9
investigation
to drink all
water
or
if
you were
had contaminated
limit?
the
of their
water
actually
groundwater
that
out of
would be
groundwater.
And then if
if
--
that
limits
the
licensee
have action
limits
that
are less
the public,
they,
then,
and say,
okay,
how much was
10
amount
that
11
for first
12
then start
to do more of
13
the
public get,
14
procedure
15
potentially
was actually
cut what
actual
16
so that
if
it's
through an
the actual
they assumed
of what
sort
and
did
of that
the public
was
to.
not averaged
over
over
19
in
20
the calculation
or how the
21
actually
like
22
somebody could get the dose
23
three-hour
period of time because
24
three-hour
window that
25
therefore,
if
for what
is
because
complete years,
if
but
concentration
our dose
scenario
really
limit
there was
from
there
a big
limits
are
may
spike and
something
in
a
was only a
one release
during three-hours
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
It
depending on how you do
exposure
there's
they breathe
several years.
the average
for somebody,
occur,
or
to what
stood there,
and go through
18
of
above
which most
Because
an investigation
may be averaged
terms
where
than our actual
actually
17
the year
had,
they understood what
exposed
But
a person
that
would go
released?
case
looking if
close
action
for
a
Is
was
that
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time
2
that.
at the monitoring
So in
3
for a
locations
general most people
station,
average
5
spikey something
6
intervals
and not average
7
exposures
to the public.
9
ROB EVANS:
As part
second.
10
through the
11
approved.
12
they plan
13
through
14
implementing
15
samples,
16
conducting
17
at what
18
background
19
nominal
20
will
21
understanding
22
But once
23
implementation
24
25
is,
of
you may look
Could I
the
licensing
inspection,
sampling.
the program.
some point
we'll
make
the
air
sample
for the
release,
sure that
are,
the program's
and if
to them.
happened
approved,
through the
you know,
take
then we
Try to get their
these
we'll
situations.
verify
inspection process.
So I
if
in
a look
any
there's
out of the ordinary,
Talk
to what
air
them to
compare
level,
they're
actually
results
it.
as
they're
How
do
that
for example,
and then we will
anything
investigate
license,
What we will
samples
action
be
sampling.
to verify
Like,
actual
for a
a program will
inspection program is
the
the
the air
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
your
at
How they plan to do the water
to do
time
to look at the
add on to that
process,
on how
depending
at smaller
as much
and then
do use an annual
but you might,
4
8
concentration
guess,
you grant
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
is
the
it
possible
license
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let's
conditions
2
fire
3
area that's
4
this
5
activity
6
that
7
something you can set
area
off
is
it's
because
can't
for that
limits
If
KEITH McCONNELL:
and I'm not
issue,
safety
10
that
there
11
suggesting,
12
license
but
if
condition
CHRIS
13
was,
there
then we
14
have
15
licensee
16
certain
17
one
18
groundwater
up.
19
the surface
and then the water
20
and the
21
then they collect
22
evaporate
23
Well,
24
pond.
25
to
they would not
that
a place
sediment
water
the
if
travel
is
If
wind's
low,
down and that
you're
some
a
done.
sites,
we
suggested by the
it's
actions
the water
under
--
we had
to clean
trying
the
into pools on
has to evaporate
itself
to the bottom of the pond and
But one way they
for disposal.
to spray
is
the wind is
in
they're
that
then goes
faster
agreement
could implement
do certain
So they pump
that
in
Like they wouldn't
wind conditions.
example
a health and
not be
will
generally
had conditions,
was
Actually,
McKENNEY:
environment
issue with what
says that
that
of
protection?
we're
safety
the
that
Is
safety
sure that
a health and
is
type
a chaotic
there
in
you could say
that
what's happening.
for public
no live
impacts
particular
gonna create
control
can be
have
known to be contaminated,
8
9
there
gonna
anything that's
activity,
we
you know,
say,
1
it
just
falls
above a certain
means
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
(inaudible)
it
the pond.
back
into
thing,
that
could off
site.
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tends
So the
47
1
licensee
has came
2
hour,
3
alleviate
4
license
5
conditions
6
possible
we will
not
the
in
and said,
(inaudible)
possibility
conditions
are
of
if
over
the sprayer
off site.
can be placed
such that
it's
system to
So those
on a license
are necessary
an
sort
if
of
the
to alleviate
public exposure.
7
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
8
material
9
estimated
that's
out
in
So what's
the
the total
environment?
of
What's the
Greg Komp's
indicated,
what the Army has
12
300 pounds
13
Barracks
14
estimate how much would be at each particular
15
300 pounds.
16
areas
17
amount
distributed
across
and Pohakuloa.
of radioactive
research
on archival
20
right.
21
other possible
inadvertent
22
Because
I
in
23
release
rounds
24
permitted.
that
for
But
19
know
is
but
not
sites,
it's
Schofield
hard to
the
that
site,
area,
but
the
significant
material.
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
Was there
think
think about
300 pounds
the back,
approximately
the two
So I
And when you
involved,
there's
in
11
18
amount
amount?
KEITH McCONNELL:
10
25
5 miles
are
--
these
the Davy Crockett,
any other research
release
Puerto Rico,
were not,
KEITH McCONNELL:
are only based
example,
you know,
Well,
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
done to look
of possible
for
though,
DU?
the Navy did
licensed
we had the
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1
question.
We had a public meeting with the Army
2
yesterday.
3
Warthog
4
the
5
uranium,
was depleted
uranium was part
6
And what
the Army has
indicated
7
weapon
8
depleted uranium.
The
that,
issue
thing that
I
was
guess,
9
KYLE
10
also training
11
though,
trains
since that
systems,
over in
when they were
KAJIHIRO:
in
Pohakuloa
and we'll
let
14
the
15
sources of
Greg
information
16
And
of
no.
the training?
That
tested,
those
did not use
other
service
branches
other places,
right.
that
should be part,
but that
they provide
should be part
us is
if
there's
of
any other
depleted uranium.
CHRIS
McKENNEY:
17
application
in
18
already
19
actually
20
decommissioning
21
what happened
22
something called
23
research
24
things;
25
to all
there
these
in
As
cases,
to
and to provide,
site
hey,
we
site
if
out how much is
is
people;
we went
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
in
with
we asked for
assessment
or archival
looked at all
to every
actually
dealing
talked to people who worked there;
these
something's
common
when you're
to the
historical
the license
figure
thing that's
also,
past
of
(inaudible),
trying
then one
the
part
cases,
and we're
there,
we
is,
Well,
answer,
810
Pohakuloa.
and these
know,
the
system uses depleted
You have
KEITH McCONNELL:
13
to mind was
weapon
so you wouldn't
12
came
these
we talked
source of data and
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is
1
this
2
there
3
records.
And so that should be part
4
submittal
to us.
5
If
6
directly
7
now.
and what was,
10
And beyond
of Army wishes
Department
I
GREG KOMP:
I
taught
thing
12
first
13
related
14
penetrator
15
question
them the chance
can hear me
of
kind of
just
go back and
16
the
some of the
what we're
that's
initially,
And it
was
day or
two after
17
within a
18
whether
19
we
20
somebody working
21
particular
22
been a
23
And
24
forthcoming,
25
these.
these
things,
the
round.
the water
want to say
I
didn't
We really
just
it,
about
in
Hawaii,
simply because
with that
expect
it.
It
had
forgotten about
literally
coming back out
time,
was
uranium
had experience
site
discovered
And at that
answered your
thinking of.
that,
had depleted
and it
1960s program and
so once we
we had
we answered questions
or not we'd ever
found
after
shortly
to the
questions
And so when we
tanks.
fine.
the Army
talk
to depleted uranium were based on
in
right
you need to.
if
Initially
find.
to your question
and part
for a number of years
Let me
11
defer to Greg.
to respond
think everybody
you can project
is
of the Army's
I'd
that,
to be used
from various
plucked
we can give
now,
right
8
9
kind of,
authorized
I
it.
think we were pretty
and
we didn't
we
found
know what we
didn't
saying,
hey,
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know.
We
really
2
gather
that
3
40-year-old
4
what part
5
had people
the
information.
documents,
of that
6
7
can answer
8
not
9
We haven't
archive
think a lot
been able
11
actual
12
think 75,318
13
ammunition
14
those
15
pretty
of
16
far we've
17
you the
18
to
were
714,
we have
little
over,
City Army
ever shipped.
shipped
to the
300
and that's
I
So we're
islands.
pounds,
what
on all
I'll
So
give
we've been able
so we've got that.
to any firing
20
thing you have
21
before
22
we have
23
can't
24
(inaudible)
25
actually
to do,
can use
to do
fire
what was
there.
shipping records
only found about
number of
take
in
those rounds
it
of that.
found,
just
we
we have
have
Lake
We have great
really
As
yeah,
don't
in
and we've
depleted uranium,
we have
produced
That's
of records.
to find any records
rounds,
plant.
find and
we just
to
dealing with
was,
a lot
the
trying
task.
search report
were only 75,000,
confident
I
you're
a difficult
back to what
there
records;
19
And when
for the modern penetrator,
Going
--
four years
and doing
to our knowledge,
10
last
that's
going back
So I
--
spent
it
from the
as this
depleted
group will
uranium
under the NRC
rounds
(inaudible)
or some
them.
other services,
you,
in
the United
license
program.
States,
We
for the Warthog
of the other
depleted munitions and
We've only got
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
tell
one
a
couple
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that
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1
are
2
here.
3
violating
licensed
Neither
terms
affairs
in
6
DU and it
8
back.
We've
9
record
at all
no,
Right,
in
the
couldn't
do
services
was
it
without
the state
have
of
a license
for
it.
they did.
asked our sister
And we've
services,
of use and everybody has
gone
do they have
come back
any
and
they did not.
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
11
so we
They didn't
out they used
GREG KOMP:
said,
So that
(inaudible) .
turned
7
and
of the NRC agreement.
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
5
12
firing
could any of the other
their
4
10
to do that
Does the Army have DU
inventory
islands?
13
GREG KOMP:
14
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
15
permit,
right,
16
somewhere.
if
From my knowledge,
we're
you had the
In
actual
again,
19
regulate
20
if
21
they've
22
know,
23
considered part
of the Department
24
system and it's
under their
25
have
they were
in
of
the
to be produced.
been fired,
if
oversight,
stored
they are
in
of
regulate
the
tank or,
of Defense
direct
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that
weapon
And so we
weapons
rounds
after
the military,
control.
over actual,
we
depleted uranium
And we
possession of storage
jurisdiction
munitions
not military
the production
another
a very weird sense because,
18
civilian
do not.
That would require
CHRIS McKENNEY:
17
we
don't
is
52
1
themselves,
2
close
3
that
4
they have to deal
a
but
if
after
depo and
they don't
5
stuff
they've
like
6
license
7
had
8
kind of thing?
I
and they
9
that,
with us
for
a license
store
DU over
10
manufacturing,
storage,
11
into
12
out
13
we
14
you know,
15
they can store
16
So it's
17
it's
18
used to
fire
19
it
into the gun
20
jurisdiction
the weapon,
of the
regulate
it.
gets
it.
for
is
that
license
They're
CHRIS McKENNEY:
a master material
The U.S.
called
23
the Army.
They actually
put
24
underneath
their
for different
25
could actually
license
like
gets
where
with us.
fired.
And if
like
GPG,
they
it's
just
when
don't
have
point.
Navy also has what's
which is
a NRC-like
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
it
license
then we
at that
gets
where,
license
So
weapon,
22
license
a
it
States,
license
being
licensed.
material
Once
to be United
purposes,
or the
for the
Once
a master material
it's
the Navy
a different
we
a storage
training
have put
saw a DU
that
and use and they have
fired
I
it.
happens
So there
of that
21
is
regulating
at the point where
being
and then
and then disposal.
and it
the Navy has
but
Basically,
we're not
weapon,
behind,
for Lualualei
there,
REBECCA TADESSE:
to-
clean up.
You know,
mean,
decided
they have to make sure
leave contamination
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
--
actually
different
from
mini licenses
uses.
license
So they
for a storage
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facility,
which is
2
weapon
3
actually
4
records.
system which is
oversight
5
with each site
7
little
8
Department
9
abilities
bit
more Department
of Defense
but just
of Army have
of Air Force,
both have
11
the various
12
little
13
programs.
14
each fort
15
used them over
16
Corps.
17
way back
as they move
which our
inspection
things
more
through
flexible
Department
the years.
of Engineers
KYLE
of Navy,
set up a new
go to those,
but
it's
chosen to just
separately
look
at
a
them as they change
their
license
as they have
thing with the U.S.
old bunkers
So
they
would
to you what they have
20
CHRIS
McKENNEY:
21
REBECCA TADESSE:
22
basically,
gets oversight
23
Navy is
Region
24
license
gets an oversight
25
oversee
any other
1.
a
that
Army
were
used
like,
the
II.
KAJIHIRO:
Navy would report
still
Same
and the
World War
around,
of Army has
and each Army base
licenses
these master material
the process,
for
on
the Department
things
can
or
And so there's
between
one,
in
for their
individual
of difference
10
18
of Defense
as they need them.
to,
bit
a Department
control,
Department
6
19
really
Right.
--
so,
at Lualualei.
Exactly.
The master material,
from the
So the various
region.
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
think the
master material
and we go to the
activities.
I
sites.
We review what
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done.
2
their
3
gets
So they're
just,
activities,
from NRC.
CHRIS
McKENNEY:
5
for the material
6
flexibility
7
one
8
have
9
authorized
like
of the things
10
materials.
11
move
12
time to
13
their
in
But
their
it's
this.
for like
a list
handling most of
and they have
oversight
4
It's
much more
the medical
we have
in
our license
to work at
that
them around,
change
our medical
of
broad enough
16
able to do
17
are
18
permitting.
19
permit
20
they need to do.
21
testing
22
wanted to do and it
23
materials
24
they could
able
that.
to
in
license
order
have
like
we
are
they
to contact us
that
the licenses
if
was
every
through
so that
individuals
to do all
licensing
it
go ahead and do that
I
things
was munitions
under
scope
sort
their
things they
master
of way,
then
activity.
have just
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
they issue a
was one of the
authorized
and they
or
the different
if
that
to be
own committee
issue a license,
the broad
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
the
own
For example,
in
who
is
people by when
for
their
we
able
or something,
license
they can handle
We write
So before
and they're
the
with the radioactive
They have their
they
--
like
list.
JACK WHITTEN:
they're
that
Because
the doctors
instead of having
master material
for
programs.
facility
the names,
15
own NRC and
also not necessarily
Navy can modify those
14
25
basically,
one more
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1
Just
it
seems
2
sense
to
me
3
glass
in
my kitchen,
4
gonna stop what
5
try
6
the pieces
7
shards
8
have up here where
9
think
--
it
just
okay.
If
sure
that
So with
it's
been
11
that
12
know,
13
have activity
14
grind
15
right.
16
about
17
that
jar
shattered
or
everywhere,
toe
out
so
I'm not
I
of there
gonna have
scattered
all
any
like
we
I
would
around,
that
I'm
and
can pick up
the DU situation
ensure
a
we would have
the
clean
thing
so it's
not
being disturbed and then,
you
if
not
cleaned
to not
it
up in
glass
common
to
even
it
against
a
environment
the best way to
ability
to go
dropped
the glass
behind.
that
I
that
and make
left
seems
I'm doing and tip
not to disturb
10
it's
that's
the
end would be to
up right
gonna disburse
into the ground or move
So that's
this
what
seems
application,
it
away,
that,
around
think this
secure
is
it's
gonna
in
counterintuitive
and I
many of us have in
18
19
--
any way,
to me
is
a concern
the community.
CHRIS McKENNEY:
We understand
that.
Yeah,
just
one other
we
do.
20
KYLE KAJIHIRO:
21
GREG
KOMP:
If
Thank you.
I
might address
22
question,
just
so for your knowledge.
23
Schofield
Barracks
24
even from our
survey activities,
25
archeologists
that
for all
the
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
construction
we
are working
We do have at
do have
activities,
site
with and also contractors
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from U.H.
who are
actually
coming in
2
cultural
3
negotiation
process.
4
appropriate
person to find all
5
so we
6
we
and historical
are working
and doing those
archeological
I
sites,
can put you in
to try
those
and there's
contact
details.
to accommodate
with the
But just
that
as much
as
can.
7
DARLENE
RODRIGUES:
8
and taking the time.
9
thank you.
My name is
10
resident
Mililani,
II
Sorry,
12
that
13
DU,
14
responsible
15
the
16
environment,
of
I'm all
there's
like
17
learned
which
is
a heavy metal
toxicity
that
heavy metals.
for monitoring
the public,
the
and
19
the Army does
20
it's
21
go back in
22
sure
23
being protected,
24
responsibility
25
ensure
to ensure that
the Army's
that
but
it's
and
it
that
relates
In
terms
it
doesn't
verify
that
really
understand
from
toxicity
and,
In
the
happens.
to uranium,
of monitoring
become
what
health
what
an issue,
the site.
We
they do to make
and safety
the Army's
system and
no impacts.
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
by.
you folks?
to set up the monitoring
there's
I
happens
to monitor
and independently
working
that
toxicity
responsibility
is
So
heavy metal
is
As
our responsibility.
I'm a
So who would be
the heavy metal
that
and
down
so
community close
thing.
18
it
a
coming
from this,
whole
to
that
a lot
for
Darlene Rodrigues,
KEITH McCONNELL:
is
Thank
new to this
other
safety
I
Hi.
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DARLENE RODRIGUES:
2
radiological,
3
the
but the
FIDLER
4
--
chemical
CHRIS
McKENNEY:
variation.
The
6
don't
7
of the public
8
low for members
9
they'll
look at
effects
just
as well.
levels
Actually,
that
the chemical
because
the
the radiation
there's
we have
for
toxicity
dose
So like
of the public
a slight
--
we generally
directly
limits
that
also be below chemical
are
for members
generally
the chemical
toxicity
if
--
so
that
we're below
levels.
We have
11
So not
no?
5
10
Okay.
specific
12
regulation
13
true
14
could get a
15
chemical
16
issue.
17
(inaudible)
we're
18
for members
of the
19
that
20
releases,
21
for airborne
22
our regulations
23
airborne
24
their
program
25'
can't
remember
limits,
for workers,
for workers.
because
There
chemical
it's
our public
which
releases
that
in
a
in
radiation
but we have
of
all
chemical
through
the
The limit
types of
H stands
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
toxicity
fact
with EPA's standard
by for
(inaudible)
what the
dose
10 millirem per airborne
consistent
approved
a
the regulations
looking at
limit
a worker
them to cause
for particulates.
for
called
they cause
our
not necessarily
or enough
public,
also
in
a possibility
actively
releases
is
that's
not apparent
dose
is
is
dose
problem before
And so,
though,
in
the EPA for the
radioactivity
emission
through
standards,
for.
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And in
water,
EPA has established
2
drinking water standard based on
3
in
4
most
5
because
that's
6
whether
it's
7
a standard
8
that
9
standards,
10
the end,
they would actually
responsible
for making
part
sure
toxicity.
says you gotta
ones who would be
the water
because
But
they're
keep
in
most
low,
it
systems,
standards,
else,
they have
way below
cases,
will
And
this
so
our radiation
protect
from a
toxicity.
And the
11
one we look
12
happen
13
radiological,
14
also
15
much more
16
uranium oxide,
17
to when
18
uranium metal
19
oxidized.
20
presence,
21
uranium metals,
greyish with
22
alloy
but when
23
have
a yellow tint
24
cake.
But the
25
taken up
in
reverse,
is
the
likely
it's
chemical
A lot
times the
which
is
what
not
Uranium
that's
why it
it,
to it.
toxicity.
stable.
sort
of
That's
is
into your body as well.
If
likes
to be
And so
in
the
You'll have
depending
oxide,
why it's
not
turn
because
It
uranium
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
is
There's
time,
turns yellow.
uranium oxide
the
of uranium that
over
can
times they're
to be oxidized.
it's
it
the uranium metal will
chemically
likes
of
type
the environment
is
because
can happen before
to cause chemical
in
in
at directly,
for workers.
exposed to more
is
be the
uranium or anything
nothing happens.
chemical
chemical
of the drinking water
natural
that
their
as
--
you
it
on what
will
called yellow
doesn't get
ingest
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59
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oxide,
it
2
metal
3
version
tends
and other
go right
forms of
is
bit
6
or what's
called
KEITH McCONNELL:
little
through you.
highly,
of uranium which
4
5
to just
Uranium
called
tetravalent
--
one
--
You may be getting
into a
too much detail.
CHRIS McKENNEY:
Sorry.
7
it,
8
after
the uranium has been
9
time,
are
Anyways,
which are not usually present
the ones
10
more
likely
11
chemical.
12
present
in
13
plants,
like
14
cases,
15
chemical
16
regulations
that
industries
that
the mills,
those
workers
toxicity
soluble
the bloodstream
soluble
forms
are
stuff
have
issues,
forms of
the environment
the environment
are more
to get into
And those
in
in
some
and,
for a
long
therefore,
and cause
are more generally
using
like
like
enrichment
that.
So in
issues to
see
and
have exact
so we
if
those
they have
for that.
17
JOHN HULL:
18
when you're
19
on-site
talking
Chris,
just
to clarify.
about workers,
you're
I
talking
think
about
workers.
20
CHRIS
21
REBECCA TADESSE:
22
expectation
23
worker
24
be workers
25
things
in
like
is
McKENNEY:
that
there
On-site
radiation
And to be clear,
is
not
that,
are going
but
in
our
going to be a
I
the Army's application.
that
workers.
to do
mean,
there might
construction
they should be
less
radiation
and
than 10% of
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our requirement
2
should not be a radiation
3
the
4
applicable
5
here
6
and they're
7
for
8
is
so,
like
that
things
12
requirements
are
for
and we
different
them,
that's
but
DARLENE RODRIGUES:
13
14
The other question
15
list
16
site.
17
real
18
could be able
19
this
20
large
21
them who
22
on your purview
23
community and
24
your radar?
of
the
Will
--
I
I
have
documents
this
that
I
be,
mean not real
also be
to read
is
fine.
about,
so I
if
in
here,
but
other
KEITH McCONNELL:
know you gave a
the ADAMS
a way
the average
languages?
Well,
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
is
Joe
if
a lot
something
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of
that's
and health
generally,
has a
Hawaii
population,
safety
that
and then will
and I'm wondering
access
for here.
Thank you.
and understand,
terms of the
language
case
in
translated
English-as-a-second-language
around
those
gonna be on
people,
this
have
That's
and
facilities
not the
are
guess,
in
available
live
you...
So enrichment
REBECCA TADESSE:
11
our expectation
if
Greg,
regulation
10% of the
the
applied
That's accurate.
GREG KOMP:
10
would be
that
amount of material
therefore,
unless,
isn't
So all
site.
should not be
small
to meet
worker,
there
9
25
they have
fact
there
that
like
workers,
not likely
a radiation
that
and things
for radiation
due to the
therefore,
worker on this
toxicity
chemical
So,
for workers.
of
the
is
on
that
guess
to
61
1
answer
the
2
basically
3
back,
4
that
5
job
6
after
this
7
little
bit
8
languages,
first
question,
what's
as well
will
in
as summaries
communicating
meeting
better
10
which have
11
sometimes
12.
matter.
13
like
If
any aspect,
in
terms
answer.
McKENNEY:
had large
were members
15
wanted
16
hope was
to discuss,
we'll
We have,
Hawaiian.
19
language,
20
is
The
not,
referring
21
I
that
is
think,
a
alternative
especially
in
justice
areas
issues,
were
if
there
concerned
translator
and
here
and our
available.
It's
primarily
a translator
for
for Hawaiian
for the population
that
Darlene
to.
DARLENE RODRIGUES:
22
or
23
here
24
of the violations
25
danger or harm to the public,
Tagalog or
in
can provide
And our goal was
GOMES:
translator
of
you catch us
but not as a general
we did have a
have
transcript
that.
environmental
KU'UMEAALOHA
18
do
of the public that
that
is
done an effective
why don't
terms
we have pursued that,
14
and the
of maybe we
In
REBECCA TADESSE:
17
this
we haven't
we generally don't
CHRIS
on our website
submitted and then also what we provide
be provided.
9
what's
Hawaii.
the other
in
immigrant populations
And that
that
Which would be
Ilocano
that
would be my question in
would happen and if
notification
live
terms
there was any
would only be
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in
English,
2
immigrants who
fish
3
know,
water comes and,
4
there's
5
if
6
outreach
7
safety
when
the
that's
of
if
that
concern
in
comes
are people and
these gullies,
you know,
down.
you
they catch
I'm just
there was
--
wondering
and how would you do that
public
some kind of public health or
issue?
JACK HAYES:
in
there
downstream
(inaudible)
8
9
I'm thinking about
terms
You know,
of enforcement
10
announcement
in
terms
11
action.
And so
12
you have
some
13
and that
who may place
14
announcement
15
that
of when we
out here
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Department
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of Health,
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Hawaii.
to several
thank you for
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who,
either
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newspapers
press
or whatever
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GOMES:
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within your
it
is
that
we would be
would think that
Department
the
of Health,
out here.
of Health here
material
a public
enforcement
particular
to you all,
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things we do
to your population.
KEITH McCONNELL:
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that
community groups
that
take
into your paper dialogue
17
the
usually there's
I would guess
you communicate
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is
one of
it,
have a lot
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and they translate
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because
of
a member
of the
a lot
of
languages.
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this
interactions
interesting
is
question
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with native
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on those
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license
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of,
you know,
KEITH McCONNELL:
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to hear
question
question of
or that
guess,
issue with the
and if
the public
the public
if
has any
to that
integrity
requesting
I'm sorry,
has
I
the
don't
license?
know that
--
DARLENE RODRIGUES:
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like,
say,
25
Department
if
I
to do this
only case where
any say in
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agency and
on the
skills
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to another
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United States.
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a lack of confidence,
of the Army and assuring
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the question
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RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
in
recognizing
was 40 years
on
and Pohakuloa.
to work through
to us
the
this
what went
Schofield Barracks
issue and now we're
of
the Army,
the past and it
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do encourage
if
of our consideration
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these
who has to live
from you.
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your opportunity
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all
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KEITH McCONNELL:
that
find that
this
trust
that
the question I
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we,
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kind of
that
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your
to hear
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10
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like
the Army would know what's
the public
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40 years
like
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24/7,
I'm just
and you find that
as a person
that
you know.
it's
--
and
licensing
one reason
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or you want
things,
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of
course
And also,
to make
doing
a
if
you have more
stronger
a written
comment also
up is
also another opportunity,
October
14th,
is
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meeting
you wanted
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questions,
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remember
always
to
information
or,
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part
process.
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you come
you went
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ROB EVANS:
just
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the NRC also has
something
14
that
we
actually
have telephone
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program
where
16
that
concern happens
17
NRC,
in
18
prefer
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they can present
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21
take
22
of you
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is,
24
review board.
25
management,
a
if
for you to put
is
considered
numbers
the
issue,
has
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way,
I've
though usually we
individual,
concern,
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will
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board,
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process
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sure we understand
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in
and we have
so we can get back to the
information,
to make
another one,
an allocation
sometimes confidential
my concern.
that
to be,
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say one more thing,
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an individual
the name
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to get things
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bit
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an allocation
which includes
people,
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any merit
the license
is
issued,
if
McKENNEY:
for
If,
radiation
to
something
religiously
follow
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this
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for
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would be the
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And then
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get an individual
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result.
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whole process,
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it's
24
done,
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actually
to call
an inspection to
sort
likely
we'd
like
out
here
see how you've
to
of process
that
would happen.
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you would actually
to what was
long it
in-process
deal
get back to you,
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RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
and
thing,
which
of
And depending on how
get back to you.
to come
sort
response
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would likely
and that
as the person who called,
okay,
use
you can always
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say,
you're
doing the
actually
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in.
we would send
example,
a citizen,
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monitoring.
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don't
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inspection
investigation,
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process
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as
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to actually
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within a
in
low threshold.
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do an on-site
there
come
(inaudible) .
to
a pretty
and we
in
them that
and then they will
timeframe,
the NRC has
of
the
actual
the
took to review
responses,
so
that
with you when we're
three years
a regular
later
basis,
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management
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deadlines.
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hey,
so
we're
working
this
issue.
far.
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what
we're
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takes
We have
it
process
is
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one president,
trust
its
very
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standard procedures
12
verify
13
inspect.
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license
or inspect
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15
facilities
it's
17
something we could be able
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JACK HAYES:
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REBECCA TADESSE:
State on
23
this
24
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site
that
would be
And so that
JACK HAYES:
inspection,
that
we do
that
to the
kind of
public,
that's
to access?
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Everything
do
is
in
ADAMS.
reports,
have with the Army or the
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that
we
you the inspection
we might
in
of
implemented.
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topic.
and what
how we know that
would be available
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takes
time period we
monitoring
any correspondence
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of what
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words
terms
in
DARLENE RODRIGUES:
docket
the mortal
why we have
adequately
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licensing
that's
certain
20
in
and NRC
seriously,
you know,
being
But
at
those
the NRC
but verified.
10
is
trust.
that
is
looking
deadlines
to meet
Understand
based upon
verification
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very seriously
JACK HAYES:
8
is
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docket
For example,
inspection
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we do
regarding
file.
when we
is
do an
publicly
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enforcement
action,
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publicly
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conference,
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attendance
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publicized.
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enforcement
8
we're very transparent.
you know,
available.
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can read that.
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people
complexity
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issue
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that
of the
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enforcement
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from our regional
15
situation
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your questions,
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panel.
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honored
to have people
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well-informed
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information
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for
and also a statement
talking
GOMES:
two more
think,
I
think
for our
like
out of people
NRC,
meetings,
very much,
like
is
RALPH ROSENBERG
Honolulu, Hawaii
too,
w:
to inform the
the
times
we
this.
on its
one in
help
community,
you here,
probably one of
panel,
no morn
were extremely
and taking time
is
aboul
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to thank both of you very,
think this
what
and why.
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Rebecca,
the process,
invite
Well,
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we
do appreciate you speaking
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us.
So thank you very much.
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came
out to the meeting.
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them to come
and want
out.
to
So
or whoever.
KEITH McCONNELL:
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who are curious
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we thank you and
up because
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help
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this
that
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any way
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